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Dude are you guys serious? Right now you people buy Epiphone's that are chinese manufactured. So what are you guys talking about!!! "What's the beef" All this legal mumbo jumbo..

Simple. Epiphone's guitars are labeled as such. They aren't labeled as Gibsons despite many being a virtual copy or replica of the Gibson version. When someone builds a guitar in China and instead of labeling it with a name they selected for the brand they call it a Gibson or an Epiphone or a Fender that's counterfeiting and it's illegal. US customs intercept millions of dollars of counterfeit goods each day.

So this isn't a debate about quality it's all about buying a counterfeited guitar being passed off as the real thing because it has been so well done. Some friends who own a pawn bank got stung with a fake Les Paul that even I had a struggle with telling that it was fake. The guitar played well but cheap pickups and electronics were a big tell.

If no one else ever owns that counterfeit but you then no one else is impacted by it other than the US manufacturer and then only by losing a sale they never would have had to begin with. It's when that guitar ends up floating around on Reverb, Ebay, CL, FB Marketplace, etc. that it becomes a problem mostly for buyers but that's not to say a seller hasn't been stung as well.

You're actually lucky we even discuss these fakes here. Some forums won't permit posts selling or soliciting counterfeit guitars. Personally I believe people should play what they like and my choice is not to own a counterfeit guitar even though I have a good friend who has one. But he did have a label saying "replica" inscribed into it so it can never be sold as a legit LP.
 

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I worked with Mercury Records, MTV and VH1 to name a few buster.

You may well have done all of that but it's not likely to impress anyone here. We all have our own stories legends and myths and yet we all put on our pants one leg at a time just like everyone else.
 

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Thank you for speaking in my defense, I appreciate that. You said a mouthful. Personal preference.... A lot guitars are coming out of the same factories that Epi's and a lot of the other brands that are being manufactured over there now and day's "that's all I'm saying".

To me It's a Epi with a Gibson logo. "It's no secret" that this was going on long before we even knew about these guitars. Overseas also, they are limited and can't even purchase an Epiphone at a reasonable price like here in the states.

So they even replicate the Epi's in those countries as well that is a fact. I know somebody that is very knowledgeable in that area of these replicated Epiphone guitars...
 

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I'm not trying to impress anybody, I'm just trying to keep it moving and defend my actions.
 

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Thank you for speaking in my defense, I appreciate that. You said a mouthful. Personal preference.... A lot guitars are coming out of the same factories that Epi's and a lot of the other brands that are being manufactured over there now and day's "that's all I'm saying".

To me It's a Epi with a Gibson logo. "It's no secret" that this was going on long before we even knew about these guitars. Overseas also, they are limited and can't even purchase an Epiphone at a reasonable price like here in the states.

So they even replicate the Epi's in those countries as well that is a fact. I know somebody that is very knowledgeable in that area of these replicated Epiphone guitars...

Epiphone does have it's own manufacturing facility in Qingdao so they aren't outsourcing imports to other shops as best I know but I believe there is a Casino model made in Japan for them and there is also a US built Casino now and several acoustics as well. But Epiphone is based in Nashville.

Yes, they do replicate Epiphones. We know this and it's why we have a thread specifically for fakes. But IMHO replication is not the same as counterfeiting. Firefly and others import replicas sold under their own name but when you label a replica as an Epiphone that's counterfeiting and it's illegal.
 

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I'm not trying to impress anybody, I'm just trying to keep it moving and defend my actions.

I think my only point was what you've done musically has little to do with your decision to seek that guitar. There's no need to be defensive as far as your skills go but many members will still object to buying counterfeit guitars and express their opinions about it.

I don't approve of it because it costs millions of dollars to the US economy every day but I don't see a way of stopping it short of US buyers refusing to purchase obviously counterfeit product. But even so globally they will still sell a ton of them or they wouldn't be doing it.
 

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At the end of the day everybody's getting what they want and they're happy. I think Gibson and Epiphone has already hurt the US economy and the consumer by manufacturing sub par product and gear and charging ridiculous price's. But "that's just my opinion" the quality control went out the window many moons ago...
 

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Even though they've gotten better but not quite as good as it was.. Again my opinion.
 

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If your going to buy a $3000.00 guitar it better be worth every penny and some consumers beg to differ on that issue.
 

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You can do all the adjustments, Oh I like my action super low to the board. Mental note.
 

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Seriously, the number of posts I’ve made here and the research I did on your “career” probably makes me your biggest fan by volume of views.

Everything you’ve done here lacks awareness. You didn’t even create the thread in the “Non-Epiphone Classifieds”.

Finally, the only loser in this game is you. We come here for entertainment. You’re here to get a guitar you will not get here. You are wasting your time. I’m just enjoying watching the hapless attempts you take to protect your ego.

Schadenfreude.
 

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Anything else from the peanut gallery? You're right that's all it amounts to is entertainment. Stop taking this forum job so seriously. I'm not here to criticize anyone or analyze somebody's intentions. Just trying to keep it moving professionally.
 

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Are you done? I have to break out the violins:applause:

I would love that…if you can play one.

It’d be better than what you claim is your professional guitar playing. I mean, maybe that’s you on that song, but you couldn’t remotely mime your own track in that “video”—and I mean seriously, who records video in portrait orientation…especially a “professional with years in the business”!

So I’m not holding my breath.
 
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